Who would know?

tunaorlater · 12-28-2011

Who would know if you put in a tier 2 engine into a new build or not? I know a builder would never do it because he has a buisness to worry about. But if you went out and bought a say 32 Holland hull and brought it home and put a 430hp 8.3 cummins rebuilt in her (for 1/4 of the price) who would ask if you put in the proper tier engine?

lobstercatcher · 12-28-2011

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Originally Posted by tunaorlater

Who would know if you put in a tier 2 engine into a new build or not? I know a builder would never do it because he has a buisness to worry about. But if you went out and bought a say 32 Holland hull and brought it home and put a 430hp 8.3 cummins rebuilt in her (for 1/4 of the price) who would ask if you put in the proper tier engine?

The easy answer is you would know. Your insurance company would probably check. Courtesy sticker inspection. Registration of boat and engine would reveal. The seller of the engine if it is a reputable dealer/distributer wouldn't sell you one. Even if nobody picked up on it, it may get noticed down the road and you get that fine or even if you went to sell the boat could turn into a nightmare.

Why don't you find a hull pre tier11 and work your magic?

tunaorlater · 12-28-2011

Let me just say I do not plan on building anything, I am just curious about who would know. I have finished 2 boats from kit stage and can't ever remember being asked for engine information more then HP. I get the courtesy sticker from USCG every year and they never check and my insurance co. has never asked either. You would think with the BS we have to go through with our cars that there would be something in place for this. BTW I am not a commercial fisherman so my inspection is probably not as detailed.

BillD · 12-29-2011

Over the summer I stopped by Navtronics/Redman Marine up in York ME.
The guy that owns it built a recent 32 Holland with a REMAN Cummins in it.
His son explained to me that his dad had to "sign an affadavit" with the state of ME that the boat would be used for "commercial purposes only" for at least five consecutive years or something to that effect.

Maybe there is a legal remedy to get around the 2004 (whatever the year) regs??

For what it's worth,

Bill D

btw, I really like the Cummins 6BTAs in my boat but they are NOT "socially friendly". The engines smoke a bit and stink whether they are warm/hot you name it. NO getting around it with mechanical diesels.

On a new or repower build I'll be bolting in Tier II engines, maybe a newer Teir III depending on ALL.

I have a Blue Tec Benz diesel in the car. Urea exhaust injected. ?Tier IV? compliant in ALL 50 states.
You can stick your nose in the tailpipe and smell/see NOTHING!

Maybe overkill in a boat but there are days when fishing/working around the stern that the diesel fumes/smoke "get a bit too much" ! LOL

lobstercatcher · 12-29-2011

Ha! The illusion of what is "socially friendly" ! The cost is still impractical.. it sure would be nice to be able to pass those costs on to the people who forced the issue.

tunaorlater · 12-29-2011

Hey Bill the owner of that Holland is the former owner of my boat. He owns the building that Redman is in. They do unreal work!

BillD · 12-29-2011

Yes, good guys up there. I buy all the boat electronics from Navtronics and had Noell do some spec drawings done for an upper station on the 31 BF hardtop.
In the end I'm keeping the BF "as is".

BillD · 12-29-2011

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Originally Posted by powderpro

Yes- The 32' Alaska boats I have built are powered with John Deere's. There's a ton of reasons we go with the Deere. Everyone likes them in Alaska, service is available in Alaska, the engines come ready to hook up to a keel cooler (keel cooling is required in Bristol Bay), I get a good price on them, and the dealer is great to work with. Since I build them to resell, I go with what everyone likes. I thought tier III was sometime in 2012 or 2013?

I could be wrong.

BillD · 12-29-2011

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Originally Posted by powderpro

I could be wrong also, but Cummins is coming out with the 6.7 that is tier III, John Deere has come out with their new 13.5, 9.0, and a revamped 6.8 liter engines that are all supposed to be able to meet tier III. I heard Cat is coming out with a new V8 6.4? liter that's supposed to be tier III. With all these new engines that can meet tier III, I'm assuming more government intervention, interference, and non-sense is coming real soon.

Pulled this off the web.

"All boats built after 1 January 2013 and sold in the US will have to have EPA Tier 3 engines"

Funk massta bass · 12-29-2011

I repowered this summer w the 430...8.3. They cost 22k. If you have a core to swap you get 3k off. A new gear is 8k with a trolling valve.

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tunaorlater 1000 Post Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hiding fron billd Posts: 1,237	Who would know? Who would know if you put in a tier 2 engine into a new build or not? I know a builder would never do it because he has a buisness to worry about. But if you went out and bought a say 32 Holland hull and brought it home and put a 430hp 8.3 cummins rebuilt in her (for 1/4 of the price) who would ask if you put in the proper tier engine? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Spurl Reddit!

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tunaorlater 1000 Post Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hiding fron billd Posts: 1,237	Let me just say I do not plan on building anything, I am just curious about who would know. I have finished 2 boats from kit stage and can't ever remember being asked for engine information more then HP. I get the courtesy sticker from USCG every year and they never check and my insurance co. has never asked either. You would think with the BS we have to go through with our cars that there would be something in place for this. BTW I am not a commercial fisherman so my inspection is probably not as detailed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Spurl Reddit!

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BillD Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Haverhill MA., boating out of the mighty Merrimack River Posts: 2,301	Over the summer I stopped by Navtronics/Redman Marine up in York ME. The guy that owns it built a recent 32 Holland with a REMAN Cummins in it. His son explained to me that his dad had to "sign an affadavit" with the state of ME that the boat would be used for "commercial purposes only" for at least five consecutive years or something to that effect. Maybe there is a legal remedy to get around the 2004 (whatever the year) regs?? For what it's worth, Bill D btw, I really like the Cummins 6BTAs in my boat but they are NOT "socially friendly". The engines smoke a bit and stink whether they are warm/hot you name it. NO getting around it with mechanical diesels. On a new or repower build I'll be bolting in Tier II engines, maybe a newer Teir III depending on ALL. I have a Blue Tec Benz diesel in the car. Urea exhaust injected. ?Tier IV? compliant in ALL 50 states. You can stick your nose in the tailpipe and smell/see NOTHING! Maybe overkill in a boat but there are days when fishing/working around the stern that the diesel fumes/smoke "get a bit too much" ! LOL Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Spurl Reddit!

12-29-2011	#5 (permalink)
lobstercatcher 400 post Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 440	Ha! The illusion of what is "socially friendly" ! The cost is still impractical.. it sure would be nice to be able to pass those costs on to the people who forced the issue. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Spurl Reddit!

12-29-2011	#6 (permalink)
tunaorlater 1000 Post Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hiding fron billd Posts: 1,237	Hey Bill the owner of that Holland is the former owner of my boat. He owns the building that Redman is in. They do unreal work! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Spurl Reddit!

12-29-2011	#7 (permalink)
BillD Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Haverhill MA., boating out of the mighty Merrimack River Posts: 2,301	Yes, good guys up there. I buy all the boat electronics from Navtronics and had Noell do some spec drawings done for an upper station on the 31 BF hardtop. In the end I'm keeping the BF "as is". Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Spurl Reddit!

12-29-2011	#10 (permalink)
Funk massta bass Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 25	I repowered this summer w the 430...8.3. They cost 22k. If you have a core to swap you get 3k off. A new gear is 8k with a trolling valve. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Spurl Reddit!

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