3208TA rebuild cost (Ballpark)

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  1. MASTERENEGADE

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    IMHO, they are short lived motors. but that depends on how hard you run them and how much fuel you pump through them. Personally I love the 3208's just not that series (TIA)
     
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    What are the tell tail signs of wear?
     
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    Alot of black smoke starting up and running is the only one that I know of. That was on a boat with twin 3208ta(375hp) otherwise I couldnt tell you. I consider myself very happy and lucky with mine. I have neither only time I even see any steam is when im nearing top end or if its a real muggy day. And at that its just grey not black
     
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    I had a friend with 9800 hours on his 435 when it quit, it dropped a valve, The aftercooler was stopped up solid....very very solid, i heard that leads to valve failure, but i'm no mechanic.
     
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    The ability for them to hold together is understanding the ratings. E rating at 435HP is only assuming 8% use at 2800rpm and thats pushing an easy hull like a DE.
    C rating which is more likely for a lot of folks is maybe 315HP
    Interestingly, a NA will get its full 210HP at a C rating

    Bottom line is that if they are run hard and long (C) at (E) RPM's they go boom.
     
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    By no means am I experienced with them - but the 1987 3208TA in my new rig runs like a top. I have the the original manuals and god I wish manuals were still written like that today.
     
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    Even I can understand the manuals for our engines. Heck I can barely get through reading a menu :D
     
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    OK I admit it. I am a throwback. I don't want a high output, lightweight engine. My boat has the venerable 671 na Detroit. No it doesn't produce a lot of horsepower and it is noisy. It burns very little fuel and will run for many thousands of hours. I am really curious what the new lightweight, high output diesels can be expected to have for a lifespan. The old 671's and 3208's run forever with very little care until you try to get too much horsepower out of them. They are forgiving and dependable and have been the workhorses of the commercial fishing industry for many years. We put an average of 200+ hours per month on our engine and expect it to last for more than than 20,000 hours.
    JMHO and certainly not worth more than anyone else's.
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    If you run the 435 easy, it will last for thousands of hours. Also of course depends on prop load and maintenance.
     
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    Bottom line is that if they are run hard and long (C) at (E) RPM's they go boom.[/QUOTE]

    I think that goes for any engine, the closer to the windshield you push the red knob the faster you'll get to the rebuild shop or junk yard :D
     
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    How does the 3208 compare to the 3116 and 3126's?
     
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    The 3208 was hands down a much better engine. The 3116 and 3126 had all kinds of problems. Sportfishing boats with 3116's and 3126's are a hard sell, and when they do sell they go for a lot less. I knew someone with a boat with a pair of 3126's in it, I was interested in the boat, he talked me out of buying it, nothing but problems. They can not be over propped, you can get away with it on most engines, but not them, they have to be lightly loaded if you want them to last.
     
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    I'll take. 3126 any day over a 3208, way more power and burns less fuel. As far as problems I don't think one set of injector cups and a raw water pump replacement over 12,000 hours is bad. 3116 had some valve problems.

    Unless you are talking about the 3126 acert, I never heard anything good from them.
     
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    Check out BoatDiesel.com, and run a search on the 3126 and the 3116. I'll let you decide for yourself. As far as fuel burn, having owned two 375 Hp 3208 TA's for about 10 years I can tell you they will burn somewhere between 10 and 11.5 gallons per hour at cruise RPM's (2300 RPM's) all day long.
     
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    It's not the arrow, it's the Indian... Same with any engine
     
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    What hull is that in? I assume twin engine planing hull, sportfish.
     
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    That was in a 37 foot Topaz Express. Not the heaviest boat in it's class (20,000 lbs) but she had a wide bow and carried that beam all the way back. Even loaded up for an overnight canyon trip with 5 guys, food, bait, gear and 1000 pounds of ice in a tote she really didn't burn any more fuel. The engines ran well with a heavy load. Check BoatDiesel.com before even considering a 3216 or 3116, you won't be sorry. If you find the right boat, with one of them, the only way it's worth while is if the price is low enough.
     
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    Looked on boat diesel saw a lot of bad stuff about the 3116 and a few of the French made "soft" block 3126's but over all decent reviews of 3126s. On a site like that your only going to see the bad though. People post looking for feedback on a problem, guys don't post on there when they aren't having problems. From what I read there it seems that most of the problem motors showed specific signs and problems within the first 500hrs. Like in any motor a lot has to do with the operator and maintenance. From some of the earliest post about these motors it seemed a lot of them were over proped by the boat manufacturers ( production boats that is). Guys were trying to turn to big a wheel at the CAT recommended cruising RPM when the engine was turning 200-300 Rpms less then they should have been at WOT. If your running the boat at 2400 at cruise and your only turning 2550 at WOT your likely to have some problems inside the first 3000hrs

    P.S. about 85% percent of the posts that were negative were searay owners (or the like) so be sure to factor that in
     
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    Bumping this back up for more discussion.

    What is the best way to check the health of a used 3208?
    Anything specific to look for?

    What about oil analysis? It that worth it on an unknown engine?

    Anything else to look for on the used market diesel engine? I say 3208 because that seems to be in the most abundance and better reputation used diesel, for the money.(my pay grade)
     
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    Brian,
    spend $25 over on boatdiesel and you'll find 1000s of technical posts/questions/responses on the 3208.

    I did a quick search on the 3208s. Keywords "Engine Survey"....more info there than you'll need....you'll be an expert in no time. There's 128 subject thread posts using engine survey alone.

    btw, isn't your 25 Parker a "bit light" for a 3208 ?? ;)





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