32 Holland new build getting started soon

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  1. leaky

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    They will be starting on the hull in the next few weeks. I'm having a top&bottom kit built w/ the shaft and will be finishing the rest myself.

    So far we have settled on the following:

    solid glass hull, vinylester skin

    Armorcoat gelcoat in Seattle Grey for the top+bottom, which is kinda a real light grey or off white depending how you look at it

    coosa stringers, high density 3/4 inch coosa washboards, other cored topside parts in airex (no wood construction)

    Will be gas powered, likely 430HP Mercruiser 8.2 MPI, likely oriented such that it's splitting the bulkhead; I'm closing the back of the house, so the engine needs to either be in the bulkhead such that you can walk behind it in the house, or configured with a V-drive and slid back far enough such that you can walk ahead of it in the house.

    Single fuel tank on transom, as much as the boat will carry (sanity checked for 200 gallons but there is actually enough room for more)

    Forward will be finished with basics done as light as possible, 2 bunks, enclosed head, small kitchenette.

    Attached a few sketches of various concepts to be included in the finishing (which we are building the kit around). The purpose of the boat will be rod and reel fishing mostly, however it's possible I add a pulpit down the road and am keeping that in mind in the layout.

    Comments, ideas, and advice always welcome!
     
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  3. crabz

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    Does the 8.2 have to have catalytic converters?
    Did you consider the 6.0L instead of a BB ?

    You must be planning on having the decks very low if you think
    you need an engine box for a V8 gasser?

    I like "no wood construction " :)

    I would like to see more details on the flip up hinged side, such a
    useful feature that for some reason never caught on over here on the West coast.
     
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    mercruiser MPI

    Hi Leaky: research the choice of motor before you settle. I had a mercruiser 370 HP MPI (Horizon) engine in my boat. It had 80 hrs when I bought it and when the storm took it 6 years later, it had 450 hrs. During that time, the aluminum exhaust manifolds rotted out despite the fact that I flushed the motor with fresh water after every trip. Mercruiser would do nothing for me regarding my claim of premature failure-which to me it was. In addition, for no apparent reason, the "computer:" would put the motor into "safe mode" meaning that max rpm was about 1000, barely enough to make headway against any sort of current. Mechanic could detect no fault codes when he looked at it. There is no way, to my knowledge, that the "safe-mode" can be overridden when it kicks in. Something needs to be reset by the mechanic (in the computer?), but not me.This happened to me twice. Luckily I was not far from home port.

    Good luck with your new boat. Looks fantastic.
    Phil
     
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    Thanks for that - good to know and I will, in my initial survey the feedback on these was good, they've been building them similarly for awhile now.
     
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    Looking forward to this thanks for sharing with us
     
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    In the 32 Holland there just isn't much space sub deck; people have raised the houses to get an engine underneath (ie make deck taller in house, raise roof so you don't hit your head) but the standard setup is always a box unless the engine is all the way forward.

    On the flip up side, I'll take some pic's when I get into it - Ronnie up here has a 28 BHM w/ that setup. Basically it's just cutout and hinged, uses some aluminum flanges to help deflect leaks, and has latches overhead to secure it - works good on his boat. Feels a little funny because you have essentially a heavy door smack over your head, but with a couple failproof latches it's OK IMHO. Also requires some headroom to accomplish, but for the vertically challenged it works.

    Anything < 500HP has a cat, or actually has had them since 2012 or so. I know you can have problems with them but when sanity checking things I couldn't find any real bad feedback on the system. One upside is they have a dual O2 sensor, which increases efficiency a bit.

    Now there is a 520 HP Mercury Racing 8.6 liter, which is basically the 8.2 punched up, and it doesn't have cats because it's > 500 HP. The engine is being used for non-racing production applications, and has the same warranty as the other engines because it's not really a race engine. Kinda tempting at only 3K more.

    As far as the small blocks go though - there just isn't a benefit I can see other than initial cost and a little weight. The nice thing about having the displacement is you get low RPM HP (torque), it's not diesel torque ballpark, but >400 lbs @ 1500 RPM out of a big block. With a small block you are lucky to see 150 lbs even @ 1500 RPM. I figure that's where a decent cruise is going to be, by taking advantage of the displacement..

    Jon
     
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    Hey what type of boat was that anyway and how did you do w/ speed and fuel?
     
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    there is next to no room below the deck of a 32' Holland. I can't imagine any marine engine, gas or diesel, being able to fit under the deck even with an 8' step into the wheelhouse (which would require raising the top almost just as much). They are very skinny and shallow boats, perfect for the harpoon fishery.
     
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    Land , 28 ft sportfish. No bashing, please.
    Phil
     
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    That s/b LANG
     
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    Will this boat be getting a nice comfortable seat, port side for me to sit or should I hang onto my fold up chair ?
     
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    Yah my plan is 2 pedestal seats, capt & mate, and a smaller seat built onto the engine box facing aft. Gonna be real tight in the house though, I'm going to only extend the house to an absolute bare minimum such that I can close it off.

    Jon
     
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    Good luck should be a good build!
     
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    Theres a guy on here selling a 305 cummins for not much more than a big block mercruiser. I just don't know the rules about putting and older (but never ran) engine in a new boat.
     
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    Thanks for that, there is a little fuzziness to the whole thing, like if a dealer had a leftover that was brand new you could install it, and if you owned one you could install it.. And then there's the whole question of who actually enforces it and what criteria they would use if an engine had no markings, or whether any given agency is even qualified to know the difference :)..

    Those rules definitely matter when it comes to having a dealer set an engine, which is really how they are trying to enforce the regs, by putting some owness on the dealers and builders...

    Now with that said, I want this thing to go, so if I saw the right Tier II (instead of III) engine that was in the grey area I might jump on it, but I'd want 400 HP.

    I'm actually setting it up such that both the 8.2 Merc and 6.7 Cummins will fit in there and not buying an engine until later in the year or even about this time next year, so I could change my mind. Similarly the boat will be setup w/ a shaft and fuel tank such that I can go either way or repower later.

    I figure it like this, if I like the gas engine and it gives me an MPG ballpark that's gonna work and proves to be reliable well then perfect. If the thing is a headache or is out of a reasonable MPG ballpark then when Cummins has refurbished Tier III engines I'll go that route (and actually will not loose a whole lot of $$ buying the gas engine and repowering with a refurb versus buying brand new).

    Jon
     
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    I bet the 305 QSB would push that hull better than the gasser;)
     
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    Is this the one that Kittery Yacht Yard is going to be finishing?
     
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    Here's a nice shot from Marshall today showing off the KPYY finish. Wish I was there for sea trial today...
     

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    A 10 speed huffy with a belt drive to the shaft, pedaled by an illegal alien would be better than a gas engine. Cheaper too.
     

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