An Examination Into Offshore Wind Industrialization ya got to watch this

[steveinak]

Testimony starts at the 35 minute mark.

An Examination Into Offshore Wind Industrialization

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[traditions]

Just another example of how corrupt our goverment has become. Just look at what NMFS and NOAA have done to our oldest industry, and now they are using offshore wind to try to finish off our way of life.Yet , they have no recourse for lying and manipulating their best science. The best science they can use to push their agenda. They are all rushing to get the money, and a foot in the door, with the ocean environment not ever being considered.There whole purpose in goverment is to preserve the fisheries and coastal communities. They have failed on all fronts, and no fisherman has ever been able to prove they are wrong and corrupt.And these people are never held accountable for their actions. Were is the outrage from all the environmental groups from all the whale deaths?The money is flowing, and they are turning a blind eye. The one thing taht may bite them in the ass is the economy that we are told is the best in 40 years. Interest rates may put a hild on the great expense of these projects.

 

[Craig D]

I read that the US could deploy enough solar (passive technology) to take care of the US needs. Why use big ugly & unsightly structures that disturb our air & water and the life near them. Doesn't make sense to use wind technology on the ocean or probably anywhere except perhaps the desert. I do not remember the size of the area needed for solar, it was a smaller amount than you might think and not obscene.

 

[Bill]

I read that the US could deploy enough solar (passive technology) to take care of the US needs. Why use big ugly & unsightly structures that disturb our air & water and the life near them. Doesn't make sense to use wind technology on the ocean or probably anywhere except perhaps the desert. I do not remember the size of the area needed for solar, it was a smaller amount than you might think and not obscene.

Here is what Elon musk said..

Let’s say if the only thing we had was solar energy—if that was the only power source—if you just took a small section of Spain you could power all of Europe,” he said. “It’s a very small amount of area that’s actually needed to generate the electricity we need to power civilization. Or in the case of the U.S., like a little corner of Nevada or Utah would power the United States.”

 

[Old Mud]

This is what the Eastern shore will look like,and how many rigs will be out there.

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.This is what it will look like at night. Lighted for Aircraft and ship traffic.


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[Old Mud]

Great find Steve. David Steverson had some great stats.

 

[MAArcher]

Solar and wind, as they are being deployed, aren't an answer. The other day I drove by a place in southern Maine I used to hunt. Its now a solar farm. Almost a full square mile of forest is now just panels. How's that good for the environment? The environment is gone. If we put the panels over existing buildings, thats one thing, but turning the last of our natural world into biological deserts? Not a good idea. I've heard the stat that it would only take 10,000 square miles (about the size of the entire state of Mass) to power the whole US but I'd bet money its BS. Maybe that's after there are panels already on every roof top and assuming no panels breaks down and operate at 100% efficiency all the time and the estimates are based on power consumption rates from 5 or ten years ago rather than good projections for 50 years or 100 years in the future. Wind isn't any better.

The only way out of the climate change/energy issue is to buck up and address the real issue, population increase. Its not that we consume too much or pollute too much, its that there's to many of us doing it. And the only way to stop that is to find a way to create an economic system that isn't dependent upon population expansion. Anyone who can't see that knows nothing of how the world works. Every animal population in nature since the dawn of time that booms, eventually has a corresponding crash from starvation and disease. We won't be any different. There are 7.9 billion people on earth and at current growth rates of .88% that means there will be double, 15.8 billion people on the planet in 80 years from now. And that's a VERY conservative estimate because in my life time, 1970 to 2023, the global population has more than doubled in just 53 years and global growth hasn't fallen bellow 1% until just four years ago. For most of modern history its been over two percent.

Solar and Wind are just putting Band-Aids on gangrene. If the idea is to find a way to supply power and food to everyone and not cause irreversible environmental damage in the process, the only realistic answer is reduce the number of people. In recent years China has reversed their one child policy to three children. That doesn't bode well for the future of the planet.

 

[novivin]

Solar and wind, as they are being deployed, aren't an answer. The other day I drove by a place in southern Maine I used to hunt. Its now a solar farm. Almost a full square mile of forest is now just panels. How's that good for the environment? The environment is gone. If we put the panels over existing buildings, thats one thing, but turning the last of our natural world into biological deserts? Not a good idea. I've heard the stat that it would only take 10,000 square miles (about the size of the entire state of Mass) to power the whole US but I'd bet money its BS. Maybe that's after there are panels already on every roof top and assuming no panels breaks down and operate at 100% efficiency all the time and the estimates are based on power consumption rates from 5 or ten years ago rather than good projections for 50 years or 100 years in the future. Wind isn't any better.

The only way out of the climate change/energy issue is to buck up and address the real issue, population increase. Its not that we consume too much or pollute too much, its that there's to many of us doing it. And the only way to stop that is to find a way to create an economic system that isn't dependent upon population expansion. Anyone who can't see that knows nothing of how the world works. Every animal population in nature since the dawn of time that booms, eventually has a corresponding crash from starvation and disease. We won't be any different. There are 7.9 billion people on earth and at current growth rates of .88% that means there will be double, 15.8 billion people on the planet in 80 years from now. And that's a VERY conservative estimate because in my life time, 1970 to 2023, the global population has more than doubled in just 53 years and global growth hasn't fallen bellow 1% until just four years ago. For most of modern history its been over two percent.

Solar and Wind are just putting Band-Aids on gangrene. If the idea is to find a way to supply power and food to everyone and not cause irreversible environmental damage in the process, the only realistic answer is reduce the number of people. In recent years China has reversed their one child policy to three children. That doesn't bode well for the future of the planet.

Tough noogies. Well, try telling the younger gal or guy they can’t enjoy a family.
No kids for you today!!!
I think we need to stick to boats. The world’s problems won’t be solved here.
I am not disputing your line of thought, you made good points.
I just think 90+% of humans worldwide don’t think about it much and live to get through the days and weeks ahead.
Have fun, work on a boat!

 

[sp543]

Solar and wind power are a great example of how 95% of the population take everything at face value. Both look great on paper if you don't read past the first sentence.

Hopefully more people will realize these are not viable long term energy options. The 5 turbines south of Block are such an eyesore, the amount depicted on that map is sickening. And I'm sure most won't be built by US companies.

 

[novivin]

Just to add a dose of reality: I am pretty sure they may never be built. None of the lessors will be able to afford them now. All the big plans were hatched before inflation soared.

 

[sailor of fortune]

Just to add a dose of reality: I am pretty sure they may never be built. None of the lessors will be able to afford them now. All the big plans were hatched before inflation soared.

And they have to connect wires to shore...None of these towns have approved of wires coming ashore going through their town...

 

[BUDXR7]

I’m a firm believer anybody who espouses Malthusian theory should promptly show themself to the door. I won’t entertain any debate on ending my bloodline so fuck off with that shit.

 

[Jason S]

I don’t know what the cost value is of these turbines, but if this wasn’t truly politically motivated, how come the government isn’t paying me to put solar panels on my house? They always measure the power output as “enough electricity to power 100,000 homes” what if they just bought solar panels for those 100,000 homes. And I’m talking owned solar panels, not the scams where a company “leases” you panels and gives you some flat rate electric bill. Oh i guess it’s because you won’t be buying electricity anymore. No taxes, or lobbying industries being supported.

I find it hard to believe that this wind program is totally motivated to “saving the environment” when we all know, whether it’s directly killing these whales or not, marine life is going to suffer from the implementation of these complex machines off our shores.

 

[Kenneth]

Solar and wind power are a great example of how 95% of the population take everything at face value. Both look great on paper if you don't read past the first sentence.

Hopefully more people will realize these are not viable long term energy options. The 5 turbines south of Block are such an eyesore, the amount depicted on that map is sickening. And I'm sure most won't be built by US companies.

The intentions of government and the achievements of government are two very different things.

 

[Raider Ronnie]

FOLLOW THE $$$$$$$$$$$
The elites have set themselves up to go from being millionaires to billionaires and are executing their plan.

 

[Brooksie]

And they have to connect wires to shore...None of these towns have approved of wires coming ashore going through their town...

Barnstable Cape Cod has and our town has had it's beaches and roads dug up for 2 years now. Falmouth turned it down but Barnstable took the bait...
We are a banana republic now, this is how things are done...

 

[Brooksie]

Just to add a dose of reality: I am pretty sure they may never be built. None of the lessors will be able to afford them now. All the big plans were hatched before inflation soared.

Vineyard Wind has just announced new rates, b/c of inflation, and the turbines are still in Europe being built.
One purpose of making fuel more expensive is, by the time these windfarms come online, wind power will be on par with fossil fuel power.
We are a banana republic now, this is the way things are done...

 

[Old Mud]

I’m a firm believer anybody who espouses Malthusian theory should promptly show themself to the door. I won’t entertain any debate on ending my bloodline so fuck off with that shit.

???? Say what ??

 

[Genius]

???? Say what ??

Game of Thrones

 

[Old Mud]

Ok then, Thanks Dave.