DE Suggestion

[mdelgado]

Hi guys! Great site Bill! Just found the forum. I'm from Newburyport, MA and am currently running an old 70's Mako 25. I've always loved the DE design and one day I will have one. To my surprise, my dad who is a blow boater, put his rig up for sale and told me he wants to try a DE style boat next. My jaw dropped to say the least. So I wanted to get a suggestions from you guys. Most likely we'll look for a 35-38' hull. But the big concern is HP, how much HP do you need to cruise at 18-22 kts? I see some lobster boats will have 300HP Deeres in them and can only cuise at 14-16knots. I know everyone will be partial to their hull mfr, but I'm talking more size/HP package.

Also, are there any Bruno owners on board? I saw a few for sale on CL and really like those lines

 

[gulf_of_maine]

Not sure if I ever remember a Bruno doing 18 to 22 kts.

What is the expected price range? That Duffy on youtube that is shown here on Downbeast must be a 200k + boat not counting what might be on the interior.

 

[mdelgado]

Oh no, not sure of the performance #'s for the Bruno Stillman, I just liked the lines.

The budget would probably be between 90-150k. Are my expectations too high??

Newby, here to learn

 

[gulf_of_maine]

Oh no, not sure of the performance #'s for the Bruno Stillman, I just liked the lines.

The budget would probably be between 90-150k. Are my expectations too high??

Newby, here to learn

With that price range, You should be able to find a nice used boat. It might not have alot of added features but a real nice boat. I'm sure you can get a bunch of suggestions too. As a few of the guys pointed out, there are some really nice older boats out there that have served there owners well. Your dad being a blow boater, he would probably appreciate something like this.

1984 Duffy Custom 35 Downeast Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

 

[mdelgado]

She's gorgeous! What years do the cabins start getting a little more rounded off on the edges and fewer sharp edges?
Any guess what kind of cruise #'s a boat like that would get with its 315HP Yanmar?

 

[gulf_of_maine]

She's gorgeous! What years do the cabins start getting a little more rounded off on the edges and fewer sharp edges?
Any guess what kind of cruise #'s a boat like that would get with its 315HP Yanmar?

I am guessing and it is only a guess., I think one of the finishing shops grabbed a old boat and did a total rehab on this boat. The engine warrenty starts when someone buys the boat etc. You get a brand new boat there, finished in the famous MDI craftsmenship. I'd also guess the picture is showing a 20 kt plus speed. I'd suspect that 315 can't burn more than 16 or 17 gals an hour which would make that boat very efficient.

 

[BillD]

Mdelgado,

Bill D here. I'm also in Newburyport and I own and run the 31 Blackfin Combi Hardtop "Reel Pleasure".

I too want a DE before I arrive under the other side of the grass!

Been studying DE boats/egine combinations for a few years now.

IMO you and your dad will be hard pressed to find a DE the size you are looking for that will cruise @ +20knots without beating the daylights out of the engine. Maybe a 34 Calvin beal (absolutely one of the best hulls around) not built too heavy and with @ least 500 hp.

Here's my rig.

Some DE boats, regardless of the number of $ponies$

 

[mdelgado]

Oh I know your boat Bill, those Blackfins are tanks!!

I'll search for some Calvins, thanks!

I'm over by half tide rocks at the AYC

 

[BillD]

Ah yes, the go fast boat !! LOL

Sorry I forgot the past part of the earlier post.

Some DE's will never get past a 16-18 knot cruise regardless how much hp you put in them.

Nasty storm coming in, I was going over the RTE 1 Bridge today Salisbury to Newburyport @ high tide, could not believe how high the river was.

 

[tashmoo2]

Hi MDelgado,

Look up Jdandy on the Tuna thread. He and his brothers owned 4 Bruno's 35 and 42 ft. They are both nice hulls and very economical to run. The 42 is superior boat. Runs level.

 

[DBM]

Be careful tieing yourself to a specific cruise speed. Unless your chasing out to the canyons. When we were designing our ride, we were looking ofr a 20-22 knot cruise we talked to everyone about the hull we chose and the hp and the weight of the buildup. We built her 100% composite, and powered her with a 380 HP cummins and she'll hit our number, but she's much happier at 18 knots than she is at 20 knots, and she rides really sweat, smoth and quiet, through just about any seas at 16 knots. She also burns about 1/2 the fuel at 16 knots compared to 20. We now run between 16 and 18 knots and are happy it takes a little longer to get back to the dock. After all I'm happiest when I'm out there.

good luck,

DBM

 

[mdelgado]

Ah yes, the go fast boat !! LOL

Sorry I forgot the past part of the earlier post.

Some DE's will never get past a 16-18 knot cruise regardless how much hp you put in them.

Nasty storm coming in, I was going over the RTE 1 Bridge today Salisbury to Newburyport @ high tide, could not believe how high the river was.

Haha, not so fast, but she does the job. Here's my neverending project if you bored some day
ClassicMako Owners Club, Inc. - 1976 Mako 25 Project (MoreFlush mount goodies)

That's good to know about the speed, it seems we need to lower our expectations

It's too early for this storm, looks like need to see if the snow blower starts and get the snow tires on :x

Hi MDelgado,

Look up Jdandy on the Tuna thread. He and his brothers owned 4 Bruno's 35 and 42 ft. They are both nice hulls and very economical to run. The 42 is superior boat. Runs level.

Thanks Tashmoo, I'll take a look

Be careful tieing yourself to a specific cruise speed. Unless your chasing out to the canyons. When we were designing our ride, we were looking ofr a 20-22 knot cruise we talked to everyone about the hull we chose and the hp and the weight of the buildup. We built her 100% composite, and powered her with a 380 HP cummins and she'll hit our number, but she's much happier at 18 knots than she is at 20 knots, and she rides really sweat, smoth and quiet, through just about any seas at 16 knots. She also burns about 1/2 the fuel at 16 knots compared to 20. We now run between 16 and 18 knots and are happy it takes a little longer to get back to the dock. After all I'm happiest when I'm out there.

good luck,

DBM

What kind of undesireable characterisics do you experience when your running 20kts aside from fuel burn?

This is great info, thanks Guys!

 

[HarborRd]

That's good to know about the speed, it seems we need to lower our expectations

I wouldn't say that---the reason you might want to lower expectations is your budget, not the limitations on the hull form. You can very easily get a downeast to cruise at 22kts comfortably. Remember that comfort is subjective--some people will think a boat running at 22kts is tossing too much vs what it does at 18, while others might not mind it as much. And you'll get others who might have a similar opinion at 18kts vs. 14, and on and on. I have been on downeasts that cruised at 22kts, in some decents seas, and it didn't bother me because I knew that in a different hull form we'd be getting the crap pounded out of us--I was glad we could do what we were doing in the seas we were in. It's the same as people who would prefer a wet and woolie ride out to the canyon in a large CC, and forgo some comfort for the time savings. I have heard of people trading in downeasts for Yellowfins and the like, because they had simply had enough of a 5hr steam to the fishing grounds.

You just need to ride a few and decide what's comfortable for you, and what you can afford on your budget. These boats can move, but it takes power to do so, and different hulls have different characterstics as the speeds climb.

 

[gulf_of_maine]

I wouldn't say that---the reason you might want to lower expectations is your budget, not the limitations on the hull form. You can very easily get a downeast to cruise at 22kts comfortably. Remember that comfort is subjective--some people will think a boat running at 22kts is tossing too much vs what it does at 18, while others might not mind it as much. And you'll get others who might have a similar opinion at 18kts vs. 14, and on and on. I have been on downeasts that cruised at 22kts, in some decents seas, and it didn't bother me because I knew that in a different hull form we'd be getting the crap pounded out of us--I was glad we could do what we were doing in the seas we were in. It's the same as people who would prefer a wet and woolie ride out to the canyon in a large CC, and forgo some comfort for the time savings. I have heard of people trading in downeasts for Yellowfins and the like, because they had simply had enough of a 5hr steam to the fishing grounds.

You just need to ride a few and decide what's comfortable for you, and what you can afford on your budget. These boats can move, but it takes power to do so, and different hulls have different characterstics as the speeds climb.

I'm a 14 knots person. Everything about it is much better (to me). I even get to be out longer!

 

[Keels Rock]

It takes a lot of fuel and power to get most downeasts to cruise much above high teens, due simple to the design on a whole. Just a general statement. Speed is just not a factor in my opinion on why people gravitate towards a downeast, its because they are foot per foot the most stable, able and comfortable to fish on especially on the hook or drifting. There is just no comparison to dee v production boats. If you can be happy crusing 17-18 you will save considerable fuel vs20/21 out of the same boat if its got the power to do so.

 

[j dandy]

Hi mdelgado
yes we have had a few Bruno's 35'&42'. there is nothing undesirable about going 18 or 20 kts if the weather is right . one boat had a 3208t in it that engine turned 2800 rpm i would run it at 2300 all day, very good on fuel at 18 kts, put it on the pin it would do 20-21 kts on a fair tide. there a great boat, was good in a following sea. it was built by nauset in orleans on the cap,solid glass no core. he built only a few after acquiring the mold from Bruno back in 1984. the thing too look for in an older boat 35' is the rudder port and the shaft stuffing box. it in my opinion the shaft should be in a shaft log with solid glass stuffing box in side. both are easy to fix. that was there weak spot.
good luck on choosing.

 

[mdelgado]

J Dandy, what power did the 35 and 42 have?

 

[DBM]

Our RP 31 Get's really load when you push her past 18 knots. The noise i beleive is related to the amount of wetted surface with the keel. I could be wrong and I definately have seen the videos of those Downeasts running 40+ in the races, but if you look closely, a whole lot of those guys are wearing ear protection.

 

[j dandy]

mdelgado

the 42' had GM692 it did 18kts
one 35' had a 325hp cat it did 18kts
the other ha a Volvo 260hp did 15_16kts
one more a 210 cat that did 13-14kts this had a core.
and one more had a 3116 cat witch did 18kts
and one Duffy 35 had a 210 cat and that went about 14-15kts
this is all at cruse witch was 4 or 5 back off the pin. these are all lobster style boats.