H&H 32 - anyone know the details?

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Definitely looks like a guy finished it for himself. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and there are some nice features here but some things just really detract from it. The transom is one of them, the other is the head does not look finished, exposed wood (which is open for debate). Trying to see if the price matches the bill and also was trying to confirm this used to be for sale for $225,000. I know a running H&H 32 is about $83k add another 30K for engine if you low ball it but at that its a "glorified skiff" at that price. Just things I think about.

As to my boat, almost sold...
 

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Why would the CAT C7 scare off some buyers? Is there known issues with it or does it have a high burn rate?

And agree on the halfarsed steering station at transom. It should have been a bulkhead mount if he was going to go that route.
 

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Cape Codder, boat has sold and been delivered! Just completed it TODAY...
 

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So wait, can ye enlighten me? Why would the CAT C7 scare off a buyer?
I'm just wondering...i though people loved all CATS big and small...
 

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Is it because of the relationship with the 3116/3126? Curious to know as well...
 

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So wait, can ye enlighten me? Why would the CAT C7 scare off a buyer?
I'm just wondering...i though people loved all CATS big and small...

Any color marine diesel has it's quirks. Some more $$expensive$$ than others.

Read this post off another forum:

"Another set of after coolers leaking again. First set failed at 1100 hours and now this set leaking with less than 500 hrs. Both time the failure has resulted in damage to the valve seats.

Am now being quoted 92 hrs labor to replace 1 head and both after coolers. Supposedly the new design after coolers have solved the leaking issues. These engines now have a total of 1600 hrs and have been Cat Maintained and serviced since new. ECU downloads show almost the entire life under 80% load and I change all filters and oil every hundred hours like clock work.

What have some you other folks experienced with the C-7 in regards to the after coolers?

And how can it possibly take 92 hrs to perform this repair?

I surely hope a 25K bill doesn´t come with every 500 hours of operation"

continued:

"The 2 that are getting ready to be installed will be the third set. New design and new piping arrangement " hence the more labor".

First set shortly after 1000 hrs, had high intake air alarm and high manifold temp alarm. Shut down and inspection showed leak on the port after cooler and damaged exhaust valve. Had the head replaced and new after cooler installed. Decided to have the starboard pressure tested and it showed slight leakage. Replaced it.

Now at 1500 hrs and 260 miles from home port with no warning same scenario as before. Core leaking on port engine and valves damaged. Limped home on the starboard for 45 hrs. Inspection of starboard showing corrosion around the end cap. Suggested by Cat to replace before eminent failure. " I believe them"

So, 32K in repairs at 1600 hrs.

I will say Cat helped me out the first time quit a bit. But, the fact that they replaced the old with the same type after cooler didn´t get me far. In doing extensive research on here I even found 1 post that a guy had 10 C-7s in a fleet and every one of them had after cooler failures within 1000 hrs.

I would at least think the redesigned after cooler additional labor would be covered.

SO yes, as of next week i have bought the after coolers that came on the engine, the after coolers that have failed again, and now the newly designed after coolers.

I will say again, yes Cat is helping some. I´m just not sure they couldn´t help a little more"

FWIW,

Bill D
 

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WOW !!!! Thanks for the info. Cats and Cummins are my Only choice for my next boat. Now Cummins seems to be the lead runner by a BIG MARGIN !!! Thanks again for the info !
 

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Don't know about C-series, but Cummins B-series aftercoolers are pretty tender. Better keep up w/ the zincs.
 

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Don't know about C-series, but Cummins B-series aftercoolers are pretty tender. Better keep up w/ the zincs.

The Serck raw water aftercooler on the Cummins 6BTAs will last the life of the engine "if" you replace the upper and lower zincs regularly AND service the aftercooler every 3 years regardless of the number of hours.

Disassemble, clean the aftercooler bundle, clean the housing, use lots of grease in reassembly of the aftercooler ends to the housing, new o-rings bolt up, pressure test and you are done.

Salt water with dissimilar metals eat it up quick!!!

Here's one that suffered from "out-of-sight...."out-of-mind" mentality of an owner.
Totally preventable

Poorly serviced aftercooler core.jpg
 

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I did not say they would not last IF you kept up w/ the zincs.... I'm just saying, compared to some other (older and heavier) coolers, they are pretty tender. Always a good idea to have your coolers cleaned and pressure checked periodically. I do mine every other year actually, but I probably run more hours than some and my stuff is OLD. The intercoolers and heat exchangers on my 671's are decades old.
 

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I did not say they would not last IF you kept up w/ the zincs.... I'm just saying, compared to some other (older and heavier) coolers, they are pretty tender. Always a good idea to have your coolers cleaned and pressure checked periodically. I do mine every other year actually, but I probably run more hours than some and my stuff is OLD. The intercoolers and heat exchangers on my 671's are decades old.

Petrel, you know what it takes!!!
Constant vigilance of the raw water cooling circuit! :D
 

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It's amazing, that is an insane picture...

Funny thought too, people trash volvo's, but after 14 years when I bought my boat, somewhere 2500 hours I pulled my aftercooler and it was PERFECT... Always worried as my Vovlo had no zincs...
 

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Shawn,

Exactly. That's why I said what I did.
 

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It's amazing, that is an insane picture...

Funny thought too, people trash volvo's, but after 14 years when I bought my boat, somewhere 2500 hours I pulled my aftercooler and it was PERFECT... Always worried as my Vovlo had no zincs...

People trash Volvo because the parts are expensive. They are 100% correct, but when you rarely need parts makes them great engines IMO.
 

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Shawn,

call cape island they are going to start building a 32' in a month or so..you can get into that brand new for the same$$
 

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Ha! I wonder if things changed there...

I got that same bit about a month or so ago. They had a HH32 that was just sitting there, I got the reply that they ended up getting a buyer for it... Thanks though, always looking out...
 
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