Maine Boat Build?

[tunafishdeath]

Looking to build a 40-45' boat. Not sure what direction I am headed. looking for input on the ride qualities of H&H 42 and Calvin Beal 44. How do they do in a head sea? How about the following sea?
Love the Wesmac 42 but so damn pricey. The top is more than the hull.
So anyone with some experience with this size boat, I would love to hear some input.
Thanks in advance, Rob

 

[MDI45]

Mdi boatworks

Tuna,i have a Mount Desert Island that i love i dont know if he is still building but you can try him ....his name is weldon aka bunny...1207-244-0000

 

[Blitzen]

MDI,
I love the look of the MDI 45 hull, do you know the story behind the company and why they are not being built anymore? There was one here in Wickford for awhile that was for sale but was sold and now is out on the left coast working.

 

[MDI45]

Blitzen,when i had my hull built around 2000...there was only the owner and maybe two others working...and it seemed like he wanted to be lobstering instead of building boats...but i think that happens to alot of these guys....the hull has beautiful lines it was designed by Merton Rich..i was having my second Wayne Beal built when i stumbled on to MDI...and i have had it for almost 12 years

 

[JasonD]

42 H&H is a BEAST!!! Eats up a head sea(needs spray rails) tracks true with a sea on her tail, and just needs to be steered a tad in a quartering sea. The 42 I have been on is powered with a Lugger and has an Open transom...

 

[tunafishdeath]

So how many of you would use composite deck and fiberglass I beams? Is the added cost worth it? What about power? looking for something around 800hp.
Also wondering what is the best value for windows/doors? Thanks

 

[Blitzen]

So how many of you would use composite deck and fiberglass I beams? Is the added cost worth it? What about power? looking for something around 800hp.
Also wondering what is the best value for windows/doors? Thanks

As far as the composite deck goes I feel it depends on how you plan to use the boat(heavy hauling of gear for commercial use or a pleasure boat) also is speed and weight a consideration. If it is going to be a commercial boat don't waste your money on composite.
I feel the cost is worth the money if it fits the project. If you spend the money on all the other aspects of the boat to keep weight down for speed and efficiency than it is worth it as long as it is built to with stand the intended purpose.
Building the boat using the composite method will also save you a lot of room under the deck if you have storage considerations.

As far as engine and horsepower I think you need to deccide on a hull design first and then look at what speed you want out of the hull and that will help you figure out what you will require and how to build the boat.

I have Diamond Seaglaze windows in my boat and although they do not leak I can say I am not happy with how the powder coating is holding up on the window frames. It is turning to dust and just wipes off. My door is fine and I have no problems there but I don't understand why I am having problems with the black PC not sure if it is just the color.
Hope this helps a little.

 

[Keels Rock]

44-50 Calvin is a beast and makes the 42 hh look small. Know a guy with a 44 with a 1000 cat in it and that thing is a a monster. He really likes it and very impressed with its sea keeping ability. I also know the guy who had the first 47 hh called the rattle snake. He said that there is no comparison between that and the 42. 5 feet longer but feels like a 55 compared to the 42 according to him. He had a 800 in it and said it was plenty of power. But its a basic lobster boat and was built pretty light. I'm partial towards the Calvin but would take anyone of them and be happy.......very happy!

 

[El Mar]

I have Diamond Seaglaze windows in my boat and although they do not leak I can say I am not happy with how the powder coating is holding up on the window frames. It is turning to dust and just wipes off. My door is fine and I have no problems there but I don't understand why I am having problems with the black PC not sure if it is just the color.
Hope this helps a little.

I have the same problem with Diamond seaglaze in my Parker, except the front ones are starting to leak. After christmas I want to pull them and replace the gasket that has broken down, that will fix the leak, but the coating is piss poor in my opinion.


I haven't decided paint, powder coat or re-anodizing. I should know more in January.

 

[Blitzen]

I have the same problem with Diamond seaglaze in my Parker, except the front ones are starting to leak. After christmas I want to pull them and replace the gasket that has broken down, that will fix the leak, but the coating is piss poor in my opinion.


I haven't decided paint, powder coat or re-anodizing. I should know more in January.

El Mar,
When you get the new tape from DS and install do not tighten the window trim too much, just enough to get a bead of the gasket around the trim. This will give you a little more material for when the boat expands and moves and if it should leak you can always tighten a bit more.
As for my window trim I think paint is in my future. Sand back and spray them and I will be done with it.

 

[Powderpro]

So how many of you would use composite deck and fiberglass I beams? Is the added cost worth it? What about power? looking for something around 800hp.
Also wondering what is the best value for windows/doors? Thanks

I would echo what Blitzen said. In regard to windows, I use Motion Windows located in Vancouver, Washington. They are in the USA, you deal directly with the owners (Jeff), and their quality and style is every bit as nice as the Diamond Seaglaze window. I'm very familiar with DSG windows, and they are no better than Motion Windows. Motion Windows are roughly 25%-35% cheaper, shipping is going to be cheaper (shipping DSG products out of Canada costs more), and in the last 2 yrs I've ordered about 70 windows from them, and everyone has been exactly as I ordered it. NO mistakes or mess ups. They are a smaller operation than DSG and are family owned and operated. I always use #10 pan head ss screws to install the windows, the #8's they provide strip out way to easy.

As far as doors go, I don't know anyone else other than DSG who builds a good door. And the nice thing about DSG is they have a good variety of doors to choose from, so I always use DSG doors. Always been happy with them.

 

[steveinak]

As far as doors go, I don't know anyone else other than DSG who builds a good door. And the nice thing about DSG is they have a good variety of doors to choose from, so I always use DSG doors. Always been happy with them.[/QUOTE]

I think Freeman builds doors but i'd bet they are very spendy !! Friend of mine had one (dutch door style) in his bowpicker and i know it didn't leak.

 

[El Mar]

Blitzen, I will do that, but the gasket that is leaking, is the one for the opening part. Both of my front windows open, which I love but a little higher on the maintenace.

What type of paint you going with??

 

[Tower Todd]

Pacific Coast Marine is also USA Made and located in Washington:

PACIFIC COAST MARINE

 

[Pedlyr]

I am a Port Engineer and work on different boats in our passenger/ work boat fleet all the time.

I am not a big fan of powder coating. We have MANY outdoor bench seats that are powder coated. They all peel. Especially on aluminum. Water gets in on the edges at the welds. Stuff is a bitch to sand and you can't really touch it up too well. I would rather deal with paint.

DSG makes a great door. But they use TrioVing lock sets that can "explode". Trick is to keep door adjusted and not to force anything. Gord @ DSG has been very helpful in the past.

We also have some Wynne windows that seem OK. I do want to check out the Motion windows.

FWIW, the sun and UV kills the sealant on windows. If you can protect it they last longer. We use (I think) a Scotch "88" tape on our frameless winows to cover the Sikaflex sealant to protect it.

 

[Blitzen]

What type of paint you going with??

I will use a self-etching primer and overcoat with AwlGrip. Big question is to change the color to white???

 

[lobstercatcher]

So how many of you would use composite deck and fiberglass I beams? Is the added cost worth it? What about power? looking for something around 800hp.
Also wondering what is the best value for windows/doors? Thanks

My boat is built that way. I haven't felt I wished I used anything else yet. The boat is only 2 1/2 years and 3000+ hrs.

 

[Powderpro]

DSG makes a good economy door for a reasonable price. This 100H door with full glass is about $1,500 before shipping, cut out measures 24" x 70". I do like the door a lot and it looks good on the boat. Those are Motion Windows, 10 in the pilot house.

 

[tunafishdeath]

As far as the use of the boat it would be used for fishing with the rod. I currently own an express boat with twin C9's. Uses too much fuel and i find that I dont run the boat as fast as it wants to go. More often than not the sea conditions limit the cruise speed of any boat. The economy of a maine boat is reason enough. Also running out of room on the current boat while fishing. No cockpit space when loaded with bait and ice etc... Also a boat with molded in non skid is a nightmare if you fish hard. Constantly worried about effing it up.
I would like to cruise around 20 knots without working the engine too hard.
Looked at a 40 Rp (willis beal)yesterday that showed up at the harbor and boy was it nice. So much room. It was a split wheel house which i dont need. I hear they pound a little. Looks like I and leaning toward 42 H&H unless someone can change my mind. I would like to widen the boat to 17 instead of standard 15. Will this change the way the boat takes a head sea? Thanks for all of the opinions, this site is a great resource!

 

[El Mar]

I would like to widen the boat to 17 instead of standard 15. Will this change the way the boat takes a head sea? Thanks for all of the opinions, this site is a great resource!

Yes, and change fuel economy and speed for the worse, you may want to rethink that.