New Member - Assistance with Jarvis Newman Boats

[n4061]

We are considering building a new boat with CW Hood and using a Jarvis Newman hull mold. Possibly the 32 with a modified deck house. The boat will be used for long weekend trips off the coast of southern california (average 50 miles runs in swells averaging 3-5' at 8 -10 seconds). We are not interested in speed. Cruise around 10 -14 knots with top end at 20 knots. I have no experience with Downeast boats and want to understand the Pro's and Con's. Our last two boats were Nordhavn 40' trawlers before that Mako CC 22 and other OB style boats.

Thank you

 

[MDI45]

N4061,was wondering why you picked the Jarvis newman hull

 

[n4061]

Jarvis Newman 32

In response to why we are focusing on the JN 32: we first like the 26 Wasque lines but the boat was a little small. Chris forwarded pictures of JN boats including the JN 30 which he built 10 boats. Not a true Downeast hull. We liked the lines so this took us to the JN32 without an engine box to deal with. As stated we like most all Downeast style boats. Just trying to find the right boat and builder. From what I can see on line CW Hood does offer a very nice finish to his boats. Again, we are just starting out.

 

[Grey host]

I would take a look at donnelles millennium marine sells them great boat and very big for a 35 footer

 

[Powderpro]

My understanding is the Jarvis Newman 32 is an older design and has an 11' beam, which by today's standards is narrow. If you are looking in the 32'-36' range, I would look for a boat that is at least 12'+ beam. A wider boat carries weight better, is more stable, and has much more space available. The new Calvin Beal's are 30'x12', 34'x13', and 36'x13'9" and are very efficient boats. The 36' Flowers has a 13'6" beam and a 36' Wesmac has a 12'8" beam. www.calvinbealboats.com
www.flowersboats.com and www.wesmac.com . If I was in the market for a 32'-36' Downeast boat, I would look at those 3 builders first. I personally think they have the best hull designs in the size range you are looking.

 

[n4061]

I checked out all three sites and I see the larger boats (beam). Worth exploring a little more. I'm concerned about the finish a little. CW Hood appears to offer a slightly higher end finish which is a must have. I plan to talk with C Beal tomorrow. Thanks

 

[Powderpro]

This is just one man's opinion, so don't take it as gospel truth; but in the size range you are looking (32'-36'), the Calvin Beal, Flowers, and Wesmac are the most "modern" downeast hull designs that I'm aware of. And if I were looking for a DE boat in that size range, those are the 3 hull designs/builders I would put at the top of my list because they have the best hull designs (in my opinion). They are also quality builders who have decades of experience building boats and I'm sure they would love to build you a boat to your specs. I understand coming from a Norhavn, that quality is paramount to you. Although this is a 50' Wesmac (click on link), I'm sure they would build their 36' to this level of finish. If a high end build and coast to coast name recognition is what you are after, I would go with the Wesmac. Their reputation is second to none. The Calvin Beal designs are also legendary and although there is only 1 Calvin Beal on the west coast that I'm aware of (it's a basic fishing boat I finished), Stewart Workman, the owner of Calvin Beal boats is a top notch boat builder- a true professional. I would talk with the builders and then go visit their facilities, I did this, and purchased a Wesmac.

 

[Blitzen]

The hull you choose is just the foundation for your project and the finisher of your choice is the guy that will fill your needs. Check out this Flowers 38 that was finished by Zimmerman Marine.
z38 | Zimmerman Marine

You could have the same finish in a Flowers 36, Wesmac or a CB. You just need to find the right finisher and have a very fat wallet.

 

[Powderpro]

Blitzen- I've never seen pics of that 38' Flowers; that boat is outrageous. A real fat wallet is required for a finish like that. Thanks for posting the link- very impressive.

 

[Bpackish]

My friend has the jn that they used the measurements from. I was there when they came and measured it. It's a beautiful boat. I haven't been on the "new" ones but my buddy's is a pilot house and it will go through anything. I will also say his boat is the wettest downeast style boat I've have ever been on! It's absolutely miserable!

 

[DBM]

I would seriously consider choosing the hull and the finisher independently. We bought a hull in Maine and had it finished in Maryland in order to get the boat we wanted. I'd talk to Hood about finishing someone elses hull.

I don't know much about the Jarvis newman exept that they are an older hull design and they were rumored to be slow and wet. I have no first hand knowlege of that though.

Good luck and enjoy the process.

DBM

 

[eyschulman]

devlin boats

If you are interested in a rock solid semidisplacement downeast type one off design check out devlin desingning boat builders on the net. located in northwest. He can build lobster and downeast types. My boat just got the windows cut out this week.

 

[eyschulman]

N4061 I noticed your comment about motor boxes. Just want to say that so many boats that put the motors under the deck make it hard to have proper exhaust geometry and that often results in short motor life. The wet exhaust elbow should be well above waterline and every thing from there on down hill. Too many builders don't follow this rule. Because the damage may not show up for years and most owners are clueless this remains a common cause of turbo and motor damage due to moisture(salt water) finding its way into turbo and motor. A motor box can be a good way to get the elbow riser higher and custom risers are a good investment. Note custom cross over riser in blanket boxed JD 6068 well above waterline and all down hill from shower.

 

[John Riddle]

n4061:

Remember to check your private messages - I believe you have one waiting.

 

[MDI45]

eyschulman,Very nice looking boat..Looks like a boat from the Zane Grey ,Ernest Hemingway era .can you post some more pictures

 

[n4061]

Thanks to everyone for assisting us with our search. I have spoken with a number of builders recommended and we are focused a slightly larger boat than we wanted to start with (why does this always occur?). I would like to hear from others on finishing the boat with the same builder of the hull or moving to another builder? I would think it would be less expenseive and problems to have one builder do it all? Thanks

Regarding engine installation I appreciate the post warning of potential issues. My plan on engine selection and installation is to bring in "Lugger Bob" who works for John Deere and supports most everyone with a Nordhavn Lugger or John Deere. Not sure which engine we will select but I like the John Deere for reliability. I'm already hearing it is heavy and may be forced to look at alternatives.

 

[steveinak]

If your thinking about a hull finisher do talk with Travis Otis that posts on here and https://www.facebook.com/pages/Clark-Island-Boat-Works/107020876034533 has a ton of pictures on there website and facebook page. They both do excellent work.

 

[eyschulman]

more pictures requested on build

Here are some more picures

 

[Powderpro]

Not sure why you think the John Deere is heavy. The new 9 liter and 13.5 liter are within a couple hundred pounds of their competitors. In my 38' I went with the John Deere 9 liter (6090) 500hp. It's a couple hundred pounds heavier than the Cummins 8.3 (the Cummins being the lightest of the 500hp motors), but the Deere has more displacement and more torque at a lower RPM. The Deere 9L and Volvo D9 weigh about the same. I don't know what size boat you are thinking, but a few hundred pounds in a 36'-40' will not change the performance of the boat.

The good thing is, there are a lot of great boat builders available. If you are thinking of jumping up in size to say a 38'; Flowers, Wesmac, Calvin Beal, Northern Bay, and Lowell Brothers all offer a nice, modern 38' boat. 38 seems to be a real popular size for DE boats. This is just my personal preference, but I would prefer one builder do the entire project beginning to end. It just seems easier and more simple to deal with one guy; but that's just me. Good luck.

 

[n4061]

I'm interested to know if anyone out there owns a either the Flowers 36 or Zimmerman Marine 36 or 38'. My understanding is that Zimmerman uses the Flowers hull.