Plans / Table of offset / small Novi type

[Different Drummer]

Just came aboard but like so many out there I have been reading the forum just about daily.
I have seen threads about small 14-16 foot boats that are usually referred to as "Novi's" Perhaps some are of the "Northumberland" pedigree as well. The David Smith boats and the LeBlanc's come to mind.
Does anyone know where I might find a table of offsets or plans of some type to build one in wood?
No larger than 16 feet.
I saw that someone on the forum has a "Calvin Beal" 16. A hull shape like that would work as well.
Concept is for a "small large boat". Or is it a "large small boat"?
Something deep, stable and able to carry some weight.
Speed is not a priority. In fact I would prefer to avoid hanging a lot of HP on it.
DD

 

[Different Drummer]

mmmm, no love for wooden boats?
How about the heritage of the various small "Novi" style boats? They had to start somewhere at some point in time. Seems like many of the fiberglass boats today where made from molds produced using the original wooden hull as a plug. Anyone have any information in those regards?
Also, a similar hull of another heritage is something that would suit my needs. The boat would be built and maintain it's home port in Newfoundland. The Commodore will not go on the water if there is too large a sea on. However, I would want something that is somewhat capable. Gotta get to the cod with the jigging gear.
Basically something that is a bit "beamy" in the beam to length dimensions. Deep in the interior and capable of carrying some weight. Stable and not overly roll prone while on the drift. ( i.e. the photo floating around of the David Smith 14 with two adults and a boy loaded with lobster gear.) Speed is not an issue for me.
Help me out folks, any ideas?

 

[sockeye]

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Gartside Boats | 16 ft Outboard skiff #168

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Jericho Bay Lobster Skiff

Designed by Joel White, the original boat was built plank-on-frame by Jimmy Steele (of Peapod fame), but no plans were ever drawn-until now. LOA: 15'6".

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[Diesel Jerry]

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[CBTHREE]

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[Different Drummer]

http://[URL]https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=wooden+novi+boat+plans

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Hey Diesel Jerry,
Always enjoy reading your posts and your responses to others. I can honestly say I have done some research. Because of the interest on the forum in the two boats I mentioned I thought someone just might have some knowledge that is not readily available at the keyboard.

 

[Different Drummer]

Google likes to steal your data & sell it for profit, they are not your friend! I don't use anything "Google" of "Microshit"!

Good point for sure!

 

[Different Drummer]

http://[URL]https://store.gartsideb...boats/products/14ft-outboard-skiff-design-189

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http://[URL]https://store.gartsideb...power-boats/products/16-ft-outboard-skiff-168

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http://[URL]https://www.woodenboatstore.com/products/jericho-bay-lobster-skiff

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http://[URL]https://capecod.craigsl...hatham-16-jericho-bay-lobster/7661894867.html

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Thanks for the suggestions Sockeye. I took a look. If I can locate what I envision construction will be plank on frame so that eliminates the clinker and strip plank construction.
They also do not have the beam and the depth from bottom to gunnel.
There is a very popular boat built near me called a "Sea Breeze" It is very close to being a DE design. The builder sells them all around the globe. But at 19 feet it is a little larger than what I am trying to find. It will also rattle your teeth in any kind of snotty conditions. Not to mention it would eliminate the goal of building a boat in a traditional manner.
I appreciate your input.

 

[Eastporter]

I second the Jericho lobster skiff! Plans available at Wooden Boat magazine.

 

[Diesel Jerry]

Hey Diesel Jerry,
Always enjoy reading your posts and your responses to others. I can honestly say I have done some research. Because of the interest on the forum in the two boats I mentioned I thought someone just might have some knowledge that is not readily available at the keyboard.

I am glad you can handle my snark cannon! Good luck with your search.

 

[Fv 11th hour]

The 16' footer sounds like about what you're looking for
Design by Philip C Bolger Commentary by Mike OBrien - Boat Designs

 

[kehoff]

this one caught my eye Novi 23

 

[Ed Morini]

I would recommend John Gardner’s Down East Workboat from his book “Building Classic Small Craft” Vol 2 my photos are rough, sorry.

 

[Different Drummer]

The 16' footer sounds like about what you're looking for
Design by Philip C Bolger Commentary by Mike OBrien - Boat Designs

I think you may have found what I am envisioning. In my research I had explored Bolgers designs as well as Spira, Wellsford and others. For some reason I did not come across the Shivaree. Not surprised though because spending much time today looking for examples or comments from those who might have built the design have been futile.
I will definitely continue searching though. Thank you for sleuthing the Shivaree out!

 

[Different Drummer]

I would recommend John Gardner’s Down East Workboat from his book “Building Classic Small Craft” Vol 2 my photos are rough, sorry.

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Thanks Ed. Another good find. She is a bit longer than what I was looking for but definitely fit the type.
Checking it out further.

 

[Ed Morini]

The offsets tell of a very nice sheer and over eye please craft. This type would lend itself to either lapstrake or cedar strip planking (I maybe speaker heresy here) lapstrake would require bent frames but the strip planked model could have a glass layer in side and out

 

[Ed Morini]

This could be proportionally shortened or lengthened as was the custom. A lot of these were carvel planked but I found them requiring to much anti leak maintenance unless always afloat

 

[Different Drummer]

The offsets tell of a very nice sheer and over eye please craft. This type would lend itself to either lapstrake or cedar strip planking (I maybe speaker heresy here) lapstrake would require bent frames but the strip planked model could have a glass layer in side and out

Yes the sheer is quite pleasing in some photos I found. Seeing it off paper I think she may be designed for more speed than interests me. There is something about the looks of the Northumberland boats that just gets to me and I think would be quite practical for two old folks to use as a water born Willy's Jeep. Beamy, stable and able to carry some load for their size. Great for general exploring, Island hopping and hand lining some cod.

 

[Different Drummer]

This could be proportionally shortened or lengthened as was the custom. A lot of these were carvel planked but I found them requiring to much anti leak maintenance unless always afloat

I agree about the clinker build being better for a trailer boat. However, the build will be done in Newfoundland using traditional methods. I will only be the helper on this one. My neighbor builds some lovely trap skiffs using carvel construction. I have been working on him for a couple of years to take on a build for me with me assisting. He has challenged me to come up with some plans.
He generally works from half hull models.

 

[Fv 11th hour]

I think you may have found what I am envisioning. In my research I had explored Bolgers designs as well as Spira, Wellsford and others. For some reason I did not come across the Shivaree. Not surprised though because spending much time today looking for examples or comments from those who might have built the design have been futile.
I will definitely continue searching though. Thank you for sleuthing the Shivaree out!

This is all the info I have about it. I've been daydreaming about building one for years, so I hope you go for it!