Rfds

[Frank Grimes]

By doing that it will make the fishery a commercial fishery, which it is. By having a weekend day it just allows for Rec fisherman with a commercial license go kill a fish. If they care about the actual commercial fisherman and what’s best for the fishery that’s how it should be. Along with closing it up in the middle of summer and not allowing charter boats to sell fish while having a charter on board.

A commercial fishery for dudes with 55’ all-weather battle wagons. Plenty of true comm guys run small boats that get shut out when the open days are too shitty to fish. Then it’ll be Tyler and a bunch of big sports with seakeepers out there.

 

[Downrigga]

A commercial fishery for dudes with 55’ all-weather battle wagons. Plenty of true comm guys run small boats that get shut out when the open days are too shitty to fish. Then it’ll be Tyler and a bunch of big sports with seakeepers out there.

I am always supprised at some of the boats I see out there that are taking a big risk on a very shitty day.

 

[plowin]

Fish buyers need to be more discriminate when buying fish. If the fish is beat up, not well cared for, too large, too small etc. They should not accept it. It will not happens as there plenty of money built in to each fish that passes over the wharf. Its really just a numbers game for them. Fish of good quality are easier for them to sell but do not ensure a better price. Its all supply and demand.

There are several things that can be done to extend the season if thats what the masses want to do. 1.) No more night fishing. 1 hour before sunrise and 1 hour after sunset unless hooked up. 2.) Charter or commercial, pick one but not both. 3.) time area closures. Chatham and to the east of it have in recent years been slaughter houses with very very easy fishing. That fishery off chatham is generally responsible for the “crush” and demise of decent prices. 4.) marine safety inspection permit number a required input in order to get a fisheries permit.

I do not like the idea of limiting anyones ability to get a permit to fish for Bluefin I think it sucks. If it were something that we started today it wouldn’t make a bit of difference. Lots of permits already out there. Enact #1 and #2 and it would cull the herd enough so that you could have multiple catch again and allow the fishery a chance to actually be commercially viable. Or if they wanted to have 3 days off for example than allow a fisherman to either choose which 4 days he was going to fish or allow him to catch all four fish in one day and then tie the boat up for the rest of the week. Theres no difference between a four day fishing week and allowing someone to catch all 4 fish in one day is there??? The difference is that it makes more buisness sense by limiting expenses by catching what you need in one trip or on whichever day you can go.

Regardless this is no longer my battle, I surrendered and switched categories which blows because I really didnt want to do that. However sitting at the dock on a stellar high pressure blue sky windless day because its an RFD is absolute insanity. Good luck to all!!

For the record 2/3 of the permits being used are charter Headboat permits. You put number 2 in place and one of two things will happen. First people will find a way to cheat the system, not too tough. Or 2 you will have a lot more commercial quota and extend your season.

I am going to put my helmet and bullet proof vest on now, prolly gonna need it. We all know that this is true just do me a favor and think about it before you pull the trigger.

 

[leaky]

Fish buyers need to be more discriminate when buying fish. If the fish is beat up, not well cared for, too large, too small etc. They should not accept it. It will not happens as there plenty of money built in to each fish that passes over the wharf. Its really just a numbers game for them. Fish of good quality are easier for them to sell but do not ensure a better price. Its all supply and demand.

There are several things that can be done to extend the season if thats what the masses want to do. 1.) No more night fishing. 1 hour before sunrise and 1 hour after sunset unless hooked up. 2.) Charter or commercial, pick one but not both. 3.) time area closures. Chatham and to the east of it have in recent years been slaughter houses with very very easy fishing. That fishery off chatham is generally responsible for the “crush” and demise of decent prices. 4.) marine safety inspection permit number a required input in order to get a fisheries permit.

I do not like the idea of limiting anyones ability to get a permit to fish for Bluefin I think it sucks. If it were something that we started today it wouldn’t make a bit of difference. Lots of permits already out there. Enact #1 and #2 and it would cull the herd enough so that you could have multiple catch again and allow the fishery a chance to actually be commercially viable. Or if they wanted to have 3 days off for example than allow a fisherman to either choose which 4 days he was going to fish or allow him to catch all four fish in one day and then tie the boat up for the rest of the week. Theres no difference between a four day fishing week and allowing someone to catch all 4 fish in one day is there???

Regardless this is no longer my battle, I surrendered and switched categories which blows because I really didnt want to do that. However sitting at the dock on a stellar high pressure blue sky windless day because its an RFD is absolute insanity. Good luck to all!!

What is the logic to limiting night fishing? It's not a deer. We could as easily stop day fishing, make it a night only fishery (equally as silly).

 

[plowin]

What is the logic to limiting night fishing? It's not a deer. We could as easily stop day fishing, make it a night only fishery (equally as silly).

Never said anything about it being logical. If people want to lengthen the season for whatever reason than fishing during the day like it always used to be would help accomplish that.

The thought of making it a nighttime fishery only is far more ridiculous.

 

[TunaAck]

By doing that it will make the fishery a commercial fishery, which it is. By having a weekend day it just allows for Rec fisherman with a commercial license go kill a fish. If they care about the actual commercial fisherman and what’s best for the fishery that’s how it should be. Along with closing it up in the middle of summer and not allowing charter boats to sell fish while having a charter on board.

Or if they sell a fish they better have all the needed safety gear if they want to play commercial fisherman for a day. How many of the charter boats have 8 suits and an 8 person raft that would be needed if they had a 6 pack plus mate and captain on board. Once you sell a fish you go from a charter to a boat that’s tuna fishing with 8 crew members.

 

[Kiteboy]

Or if they sell a fish they better have all the needed safety gear if they want to play commercial fisherman for a day. How many of the charter boats have 8 suits and an 8 person raft that would be needed if they had a 6 pack plus mate and captain on board. Once you sell a fish you go from a charter to a boat that’s tuna fishing with 8 crew members.

Yup very little people out there have all of the safety requirements Met. There is a lot that can be changed to improve this fishery.

 

[hotreelscharters]

I don’t think banning night time tuna fishing is going to lengthen the season lol

 

[plowin]

I don’t think banning night time tuna fishing is going to lengthen the season lol

Hehehehe

 

[leaky]

On the safety gear - keep in mind it depends on the time of year, plus distance from shore. You do not need anything beyond basic life jackets, flares, etc, to fish state waters in July, not much more to go fish all the popular and productive inshore spots.

This concept is akin to Massachusetts thinking, rules to try and keep people from breaking existing rules. I'd rather see the CG go board and write fines. They actually can't enforce it at the dock because to my knowledge inspection is not required for state waters and we catch bluefin there.

 

[tunahuntr]

Dont issue out of state landing permits. And buyers should confirm state permits not just federal permit. The cape was flooded with people trailering in from NH, RI, CT, and NJ. A lot of them were selling fish.

 

[leaky]

Making a living on the water requires diversity now days. Although I think I'd support say not selling fish on a charter - the nature of a charter is it's a recreational fishing venture, a charter boat ought to be able to sell fish otherwise.

 

[leaky]

Dont issue out of state landing permits. And buyers should confirm state permits not just federal permit. The cape was flooded with people trailering in from NH, RI, CT, and NJ

I'm not sure they can even do that legally. Being a federal fishery, a state probably can't both require a permit plus block non residents from obtaining one. And good luck with that regardless - I pay $700/year to Massachusetts for permits as a non resident, it's easy $$ I doubt they want to give up.

 

[Tea_baggins]

Dont issue out of state landing permits. And buyers should confirm state permits not just federal permit. The cape was flooded with people trailering in from NH, RI, CT, and NJ. A lot of them were selling fish.

Would be alarming to see all the guys without state permits.

 

[Emily Kate]

Why can’t the fed’s let us fish according to the weather, think safety first. Fishing 4 days a week is four days. No one says we can only hunt on specific days of the week.

 

[Downrigga]

Favorite comment of the month, "Spiderman blanket". So funny cuz that actually happens.

 

[Downrigga]

Why can’t the fed’s let us fish according to the weather, think safety first. Fishing 4 days a week is four days. No one says we can only hunt on specific days of the week.

How you going to control that ? Weather can keep some boats on the dock and some boats can fish on very shitty days. You pick your days like always. The answer is we deserve more quota so we don't need RFDs.

 

[starrfish]

a very easy first step to solve alot of issues in all categories that would require almost zero effort.. we know the state and feds dont like to work hard..
prove who you are before permits issued. if your commercial, get the exam, you should have to use the decal # to apply for you permit. if your in a 8 million dollar boat your probably not commercial...probably

eliminate the bogus "charter" guys... show your current captains license and current random drug screen enrollment. capt needs to be onboard during the charter, and have also passed the commercial exam if doing both.

although i dislike raising the cost of anything... have the permit be 500.00 if your a legit business, you can put it in the pile of other fees we pay every year..
if you think your getting wicked tuna $$ then it shouldnt be a problem there either. or consider going recreational

have the fines be hefty for non compliance and if your busted your permits are suspended for the rest of the season, AND NEXT season as well..

 

[True Grit]

Been making a living as a commercial fisherman for almost 50 years....and the last thing we need is more government in our livelihood. It's been close to 40 years since I've killed any BFT and I'm looking forward to doing so in the next couple of years.

 

[hardcore1]

You give an inch they take a mile. Start with three rfd and now they contemplating more. Pretty soon you will have two days a week to fish and who does that benefit. Definitely not a guy trying to scratch out a few dollars to pay his bills What's the reasoning for rfd? buyers can't handle the fish? Great then if they are not buying fish it will regulate the market. No rfd needed If they aren't buying the fish. If you are commercial, and the goal is to sell fish, then if a buyer won't buy your fish why would you go fishing. There is no need for rfds in fair market. Let the market dictate the fishing. More quota given to a thriving fishery is all that should be discussed. Soon everyone will be talking about how the fishery that once was. It will be a sad day when the average man can no longer target giant bluefin