Thanking Raider Ronnie the ride today on his 28 BHM

[BillD]

After reading my "1st impression post of the 28 BHM" last week, Ronnie invited me for a ride today from Quincy to Lynn.

He and his son Leo were running the boat for the last time this season.
He needed to get to Lynn to pickup a very nice helm seat from Tomy and while there we all had a look @ Tomy's prop "issue" on his beauty of a 36 Wayne Beal. I met both Ronnie and Tomy for the 1st time today.

1st class and gracious people including Ronnie's boy Leo and Tomy's boat crew.

OK, Ronnie's 28 BHM ran as I predicted. I neat 28 footer, very smooth ride @ cruise speed in a decent chop. A solid rugged 28 footer. Realistically the way Ronnie has the boat setup for his 6 pak charters weight wise, his 28 BHM is a 16-18 knot boat @ cruise with the Yanmar 315. The helm cabin is pretty quiet at cruise speeds and Ronnie's "swing up" starboard side is a really nice "upgrade".

He put the boat through the paces for me. I'd have NO problem owning and running a 28 BHM. It was cold and windy cruising through today.
It was nice to be out of the wind and wind spray. The cabin bus heater was nice to.


Bottom line for me personally, a 28 footer will be too small for my boating needs and I'm not sure I'll be able to become accustomed to a 16-18 knot cruise (maybe even 20 knots) not matter what size DE.

Will assess 31 and the 33-34 footers.

Again, a big thanks to Ronnie.

Bill D

 

[CEShawn]

Its always good to hear about good people, hell that is why I boat.

Bill, I think you could get used to the 20kt cruise if you were comfortable with nearly no engine noise, comfortable helm seat, feet up on the bulkhead, AC in the summer, heat in the winter, carpet under your feet etc... That brings back some good times chatting with friend sitting in an L-shaped salon couch...

Saw a 28 today I am pretty sure being looked over and shown to a new buyer and his wife in Falmouth...

 

[WoundUpMarine]

Bill, if your ever up this way near kens flowers shop your welcome to go for a ride on my 30yb, She'll be in the water most of the winter and im always up for a boat ride!

 

[BillD]

Its always good to hear about good people, hell that is why I boat.

Bill, I think you could get used to the 20kt cruise if you were comfortable with nearly no engine noise, comfortable helm seat, feet up on the bulkhead, AC in the summer, heat in the winter, carpet under your feet etc... That brings back some good times chatting with friend sitting in an L-shaped salon couch...

Saw a 28 today I am pretty sure being looked over and shown to a new buyer and his wife in Falmouth...

28 is too small a boat for my needs. Now that I've had a chance for a couple of rides, 20 knots minimum will be the cutoff speed on the consideration to make a switch from my Blackfin to a DE.
The 28 BHM weighted as I would use it is a real good riding boat @ 16-18 knots. We did not go faster than 18 knots, was no need to.

Following and quartering sea of no issue to me. Boat handled fine to me. Ronnie did state to me that running the boat faster with bigger sea takes more effort. The following sea concerns of this BHM would be a deal breaker for me.

Of course me saying all this is today, next year...who knows

 

[MouseTrap]

With everything you've said, why do you want a DE apposed to your blackfin?

 

[BillD]

Bill, if your ever up this way near kens flowers shop your welcome to go for a ride on my 30yb, She'll be in the water most of the winter and im always up for a boat ride!

I "might" be riding up to Ken's Friday.
Gonna be around ?

 

[BillD]

With everything you've said, why do you want a DE apposed to your blackfin?

Dry cabin and "1 powertrain" not 2

And I'm itching for a project !

Time will tell, just started the "assessing"

 

[Raider Ronnie]

Very nice meeting you yesterday Bill.
I'm always up for helping out anyone I can with knowledge & what I've learned over the years, both through positive experiences & mistakes.
I'm also always eager to meet other guys who love this crazy addiction of boating & even more so fishing.
One thing I've learned, there is no perfect boat for everyone.
This boat is perfect for what I do around Boston harbor other than the issues I've pointed out.
If I'm offshore all the time, I want Tomy's boat all day long over my BHM

 

[Hooper]

You know Bill, your post speaks to something I have been thinking about for awhile now. DE vs. "Express" style twin engins boats.

Even a 20 year old Fortier 26 with a 200 hp Volvo diesel in decent shape is in the $55K range. If you can find one, a 28 Seaworthy is anywhere from 79K up. A 28 AJ is the same, and Duffy and the like are even more.

Such as: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/Fortier-Bassboat-2492932/United-States

There are many many twin engine express style boats of similar vintage for almost half the asking price of the Fortier. I've seen Bertams 31's, Blackfin 29's, Black Watch 30's and even a few Carolina Classics and Ambemarle 28's knocking around in the low 40's.

Such as: http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/456917-31-bertram-flybridge.html

When I discussed this with a good friend who is a marine surveyor, I asked him, At what price point does it make sense to buy a steal on a 29 Blackfin with a pair of well maintained diesels vs. a market priced Fortier 26? He is a firm believer in the single diesel school of thought but admitted the DE market is very high even with boat sales slower than they were 10 years ago.

Thoughts?

 

[BillD]

28 is too small a boat for my needs. Now that I've had a chance for a couple of rides, 20 knots minimum will be the cutoff speed on the consideration to make a switch from my Blackfin to a DE.
The 28 BHM weighted as I would use it is a real good riding boat @ 16-18 knots. We did not go faster than 18 knots, was no need to.

Following and quartering sea of no issue to me. Boat handled fine to me. Ronnie did state to me that running the boat faster with bigger sea takes more effort. The following sea concerns of this BHM would be a deal breaker for me.

Of course me saying all this is today, next year...who knows

"The following sea concerns of this BHM would NOT be a deal breaker for me" owning this 28 footer.

I left out the word "NOT"in my previous post.

 

[BillD]

You know Bill, your post speaks to something I have been thinking about for awhile now. DE vs. "Express" style twin engins boats.

Even a 20 year old Fortier 26 with a 200 hp Volvo diesel in decent shape is in the $55K range. If you can find one, a 28 Seaworthy is anywhere from 79K up. A 28 AJ is the same, and Duffy and the like are even more.

Such as: 1992 Fortier Bassboat Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

There are many many twin engine express style boats of similar vintage for almost half the asking price of the Fortier. I've seen Bertams 31's, Blackfin 29's, Black Watch 30's and even a few Carolina Classics and Ambemarle 28's knocking around in the low 40's.

Such as: 31 bertram flybridge - The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum

When I discussed this with a good friend who is a marine surveyor, I asked him, At what price point does it make sense to buy a steal on a 29 Blackfin with a pair of well maintained diesels vs. a market priced Fortier 26? He is a firm believer in the single diesel school of thought but admitted the DE market is very high even with boat sales slower than they were 10 years ago.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

The shear number of "production boats" manufactured during better economic times and easy financing that are now on the used boat market drive the prices down.

Twins vs single diesel. Not long ago diesel was @ a decent discount to to gasoline. Not so in the past 7 years or so.

The learning curve of the boat owner or the change into "insanity" on the DE quest that many of us on the forum spiral down into !

btw, I stand by my original statements. My 31 Blackfin Combi is a 1st class offshore/inshore twin diesel powered fishing/cruising machine. The boat provides 90% of my/family boating needs. I'm trying find that extra 5%

Finally, Blackfins were born and bred in Miami FL. Warm waters, plenty of year round sunshine etc. Their cousins Bertram, Carolina and Ambermale from a bit further north same deal.

Any "high volume production" boat manufacturers up our way for the local markets? Any during the "goods times" ? mid 70-mid 90s?


FWIW

Bill D