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So I am looking for a large antenna for my VHF. I havent bought an antenna over 6' since 2005 when I bought a COMROD, forget if it was 17' or 23'. I was wondering what antenna's people are using this days and let me in on some pricing as I am not allowed to roam the internet as free as I once was. I can support it at the base and at 6' up from the base. I heard there was a nice Shakepeare out there at 23' but not sure about the support if 6' is enough. I heard its ugly looking but I care more for practical.

Or am I better off to just get my 6' antenna and get the 12' extension I had on my other boat. So funny because I thought I had this great antenna only to find out it was an extension, ha! That is the one I replaced in 2005.

Any input, thanks guys... Shawn
 

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i have shakespears 'big stick', its a flame thrower..only needs to be mounted/ held by the base which is about 30 inches up from the bottom..i have had it for about 11 years and never had a problem.
lightning has even struck the boat about 20' away from mine ( a 18' c/c).... and left my antenna alone
 

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Hard to beat the Shakespeare 476 at 21' for pure performance and 6' should be more than enough.


had one on my cc and it worked fantastic, speacially with a cheap-O cobra vhf. I mounted it on a swing down bracket on the floor with a stand-off connector to the hard top

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I use Shakespeare 5018 long range antennas. They're 17.5' long. I have them mounted high with a swiveling base and a mid level support off the bimini. The range is incredible.

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Thanks for the tips guys...

Price difference is pretty good, about half almost...

Looking back when I bought the boat it had the 476 on it, he removed it to put it on his next boat. That probably says it right there...
 

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Morad seems to be popular around here. I had 2 on my bowpicker one each side of the house, same antenas for 15 years now have one on the H&H the other will go on this year. One was for a 45 watt vhf "group radio" with a scrambler and the other was on a regular vhf.

they had the gold aluminum extentions to get them up high
one on each side
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warf rat! come in...your 2cents please?:eek:
 

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The local electronic installer said the Shakespeare's have gone down in quality in recent years, they did move over seas, and recently the parent company is relocating parts of production but I do not know if it includes antennas. Anyway I run two 8' galaxy's and they are great
 

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I am with you on this one Steve, the Morad hot sticks are outstanding. A pain in the ass to get out here on the east coast but well worth it.
 

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I am with you on this one Steve, the Morad hot sticks are outstanding. A pain in the ass to get out here on the east coast but well worth it.

Can't be any worse than getting them up here but i never had any other stick last as long as those Morads(and still work). Nobody sells them back there ??? seems odd ? how about that guy in Gloucester ? you know the place with the tiny asiles with electronic stuff all piled up :D i loved going in there and the guy was a friend of the guy i bought my boat from. American Legion members. Is the place called seatronics ???
 
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Thanks to steve here, i have done some research, Morads wave ratio and radiation pattern is superior to digital and Shakespeare, also i found some HAM guys that disected all three brands and found that quality from best to worst goes MORAD,Digital, then a far last is shakesspeare. They tested it based on quality of connectors, actual solder joints and components uses. MORAD also seem to be the most sensitive for long range. What this means for me, i just bought one to try out ;)
 

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Sorry for the delay to throw my 5 cents in, and I never go on the forum while I'm at the office (this forum is my post-work hours boat fix), but I saw this thread before I left the house and had to at least make comment. Shakespeare is no longer the only game in town, and we only use their Galaxy antennas for the Sea Ray crowd. For our outfitting purposes, we use Comrod as our number one choice for the workboat/tug/offshore craft, and Digital Antenna as the next option below for people who either don't want to go for the money with a Comrod, or people in the cruising crowd who want a step up from Shakespeare. Morad is absolutely an awesome antenna, and we've used them on the FDNY and NYPD First Response boats, Kvichak's and SAFEBoats. They are unfortunately as mentioned earlier, difficult to get quickly, and the freight from the West Coast makes them a bit cost prohibitive. Aesthetically, the Comrod has a nicer finish than the Morad, and they are very close I feel in performance. You can't go wrong with either one, and Digital is also an antenna I'd have faith in going offshore, although not as durable as the Comrod/Morad options. A VHF is only as good as its antenna, same as a fishfinder and transducer. Keep in mind though that you may not want to go with a 10db or higher depending on what kind of sea conditions you plan on boating in. 10db is a narrow beamwidth; giving it a stronger signal at longer range. However, because it's so narrow, if you're in the slop, pitching and rolling, that transmission is going to aimed at the sky and the water. A 6db antenna, say a standard 8', has a wider sidelobe, so it is more forgiving in that kind of water, although you of course lose quality at range. That's why you'll see some people with 8 footers on an 8' extension. Height is always important, but remember that VHF is line of sight, and the curveture of the Earth will only allow so much of an actual distance as opposed to a theoretical range like you see with "72Nm" Radars. To calculate your actual range, you need to use the square root of the height (in Feet) of the antenna above water x 1.42 = your real range, however atmospheric conditions also play a factor as well. Just a little info from the Rat.
 

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Thanks to steve here, i have done some research, Morads wave ratio and radiation pattern is superior to digital and Shakespeare, also i found some HAM guys that disected all three brands and found that quality from best to worst goes MORAD,Digital, then a far last is shakesspeare. They tested it based on quality of connectors, actual solder joints and components uses. MORAD also seem to be the most sensitive for long range. What this means for me, i just bought one to try out ;)

If you don't like it send it to me !!:p We were able to talk with our group members that were fishing aprox 120 miles from us just about all the time and that was with a range of mountains between us. It was with the 45 watt vhf though.
 

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If you don't like it send it to me !!:p We were able to talk with our group members that were fishing aprox 120 miles from us just about all the time and that was with a range of mountains between us. It was with the 45 watt vhf though.

I never heard of them untill you mentioned them, the HAM radio (homemade cb) guys love'm and swear by them, so that must mean something. They try and get an extra foot out of an inch, spend 300-400 dollars on primary cables, to keep signal loss at a nil. I got and old 1980 era 50watt VHF amp (marine band) i'm going to try and run it through
 
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I have an old Ray-80 VHF (Mid 90's vintage). I think the transmit power could be tweaked on the old radios. I brought it in for service once and the old guy that worked on them told me he cranked up the power output. He put it on the meter and keyed the mic. It put out 42 watts. He said not to transmit for long periods of time so I don't burn it up.
 

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I have an old Ray-80 VHF (Mid 90's vintage). I think the transmit power could be tweaked on the old radios. I brought it in for service once and the old guy that worked on them told me he cranked up the power output. He put it on the meter and keyed the mic. It put out 42 watts. He said not to transmit for long periods of time so I don't burn it up.

Our group radio had a built in cooling fan in it, would come on if we were bullshitting to much :D.
 

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Shakespeare 5208 23' 12years or so, just starting to delaminate alittle. Good range think I paid around 200 They are available in a 5208-3 now which is a three peice to save on shipping I have seen them for around 275.00 + shipping
 

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Steve! hi. I lost you there. you talking VHF/ or HAM? MORAD?
 


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