Who would know?

tunaorlater

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Who would know if you put in a tier 2 engine into a new build or not? I know a builder would never do it because he has a buisness to worry about. But if you went out and bought a say 32 Holland hull and brought it home and put a 430hp 8.3 cummins rebuilt in her (for 1/4 of the price) who would ask if you put in the proper tier engine?
 

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Who would know if you put in a tier 2 engine into a new build or not? I know a builder would never do it because he has a buisness to worry about. But if you went out and bought a say 32 Holland hull and brought it home and put a 430hp 8.3 cummins rebuilt in her (for 1/4 of the price) who would ask if you put in the proper tier engine?
The easy answer is you would know. Your insurance company would probably check. Courtesy sticker inspection. Registration of boat and engine would reveal. The seller of the engine if it is a reputable dealer/distributer wouldn't sell you one. Even if nobody picked up on it, it may get noticed down the road and you get that fine or even if you went to sell the boat could turn into a nightmare.

Why don't you find a hull pre tier11 and work your magic?
 

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Let me just say I do not plan on building anything, I am just curious about who would know. I have finished 2 boats from kit stage and can't ever remember being asked for engine information more then HP. I get the courtesy sticker from USCG every year and they never check and my insurance co. has never asked either. You would think with the BS we have to go through with our cars that there would be something in place for this. BTW I am not a commercial fisherman so my inspection is probably not as detailed.
 

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Over the summer I stopped by Navtronics/Redman Marine up in York ME.
The guy that owns it built a recent 32 Holland with a REMAN Cummins in it.
His son explained to me that his dad had to "sign an affadavit" with the state of ME that the boat would be used for "commercial purposes only" for at least five consecutive years or something to that effect.

Maybe there is a legal remedy to get around the 2004 (whatever the year) regs??

For what it's worth,

Bill D

btw, I really like the Cummins 6BTAs in my boat but they are NOT "socially friendly". The engines smoke a bit and stink whether they are warm/hot you name it. NO getting around it with mechanical diesels.

On a new or repower build I'll be bolting in Tier II engines, maybe a newer Teir III depending on ALL.

I have a Blue Tec Benz diesel in the car. Urea exhaust injected. ?Tier IV? compliant in ALL 50 states.
You can stick your nose in the tailpipe and smell/see NOTHING!

Maybe overkill in a boat but there are days when fishing/working around the stern that the diesel fumes/smoke "get a bit too much" ! LOL
 

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Ha! The illusion of what is "socially friendly" ! The cost is still impractical.. it sure would be nice to be able to pass those costs on to the people who forced the issue.
 

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Hey Bill the owner of that Holland is the former owner of my boat. He owns the building that Redman is in. They do unreal work!
 

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Yes, good guys up there. I buy all the boat electronics from Navtronics and had Noell do some spec drawings done for an upper station on the 31 BF hardtop.
In the end I'm keeping the BF "as is".
 

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Yes- The 32' Alaska boats I have built are powered with John Deere's. There's a ton of reasons we go with the Deere. Everyone likes them in Alaska, service is available in Alaska, the engines come ready to hook up to a keel cooler (keel cooling is required in Bristol Bay), I get a good price on them, and the dealer is great to work with. Since I build them to resell, I go with what everyone likes. I thought tier III was sometime in 2012 or 2013?
I could be wrong.
 

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I could be wrong also, but Cummins is coming out with the 6.7 that is tier III, John Deere has come out with their new 13.5, 9.0, and a revamped 6.8 liter engines that are all supposed to be able to meet tier III. I heard Cat is coming out with a new V8 6.4? liter that's supposed to be tier III. With all these new engines that can meet tier III, I'm assuming more government intervention, interference, and non-sense is coming real soon.
Pulled this off the web.


"All boats built after 1 January 2013 and sold in the US will have to have EPA Tier 3 engines"
 

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I repowered this summer w the 430...8.3. They cost 22k. If you have a core to swap you get 3k off. A new gear is 8k with a trolling valve.
 

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We bought a recon from cummins. It's really the way to go. We went with a twin disc 3057. We had a zf on the old engine which was a 450 scania with somewhere around 13000 hrs. What was funny was how small the new gear is compared to the size of that zf. Very happy with all of it so far. Have a couple little kinks to get out in the spring buts that about it.
 

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We bought a recon from cummins. It's really the way to go. We went with a twin disc 3057. We had a zf on the old engine which was a 450 scania with somewhere around 13000 hrs. What was funny was how small the new gear is compared to the size of that zf. Very happy with all of it so far. Have a couple little kinks to get out in the spring buts that about it.
Great value in the Cummins RECON program.
The engine and ALL components are essentially "new"
at a really good discount.
Electronic QSBs and QSCs are also available.
 

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Good question. You could as an individual do this….however you could be building a white elephant as on a sale or trade in the surveyor would put you on recorded. There in lies the problem.
 
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